Inflating Truck Tire W Starter Fluid Stupid Funny Pictures
I was helping him unload his truck and I noticed a 5 gallon propane cylinder with about a 6 foot hose and a fitting that looked like the fitting on my air compressor hose. I asked "whats this".
He told me that in West Texas every cowboy has one of these in the back of his truck to fill up tires on trucks, trailers, farm equiptment ect.....and yes it's PROPANE.
Has anybody ever heard of this..this is news to me, I had never heard of this.
I guess way out there in West Texas in the middle of nowhere, it would be better than nothing. Just don't smoke when you are airing up your tires....hehehehe
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If he is actaully using propane, please let us know so we can NOT go near that part of the country....
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All of the old timers around here used to carry propane or butane around for filling a low tire. Around here in the winter it was also used for a pear burner to burn the needles off of prickly pear cactus for cattle to feed on. So they were always getting thorns in the tires ![[emoticon]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/blogger_img_proxy/AEn0k_sB3Am469yAC3qWf_SISfYYPrTvO3jnjC3OZmcvzFeBdcUFLxfA9ElEqE1W-4A7AApyfMxdP40mDT3F5gn4bnQSMJZsvaWzaxXgIk4-5xHhnDEY1pc=s0-d "eek")
and they used the propane to get them back to town or to the barn where the tire could be repaired. I know because I worked for 34 years in repair shop in a small farming and ranching community. I have never seen one blow up, but the tire sure smells funny when you go to repair it. It is still being done today. Propane has also been used as an aid in mounting a stubborn tubeless tire when it would not seal against the rim to take air. You people that don't have prickly pear cactus, mesquite brush, white brush, cats claw and all the other stuff that has thorns on it should come on down and go for a walk in the brush if you want a real adventure. Happy Camping
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Capt Skup wrote:
Well, it sounds like a tall tale but I would not be surprised a bit. I have seen with my own two beady eyes my bud use butane to get a tubeless tire to seat back on the rim. Pretty exciting for a teenage boy to watch, led to me playing with PVC pipe cannons soon after shooting tennis balls and anything else we could stuff down the pipe. For reseating a bead, remove shrader valve from stem, hold tire tight against rim(long cord and stick to squeeze center of tread) while best buddy squirts a few doses of butane lighter fluid into tire through stem and bring lit match to stem. Growing up sure was exciting, wonder I made it to adulthood.
User care using this technique, too much makes a good explosion!
We use ether (starter fluid) to seat large off road tires in the rough. Don't even have to have the bead close, 10 second shot of ether, spray some over the sidewall, and away from the tire as a fuse. I say be very careful, I've seen a 150# tire/wheel on a one ton truck bounce the truck a foot off the jack. This is definitely not something anyone should play with or stand anywhere near!
IN my younger days I was warned about fix-a-flat and the like, some would explode when dismounting a tire. ![[emoticon]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/blogger_img_proxy/AEn0k_sUy2_Hc9I7MTXGjqmO82Lld_4PYTVO4TgFhdhbxNhcSfFclZUry12sFd_7OMvQqBQMUg3C2leklPneTrkg3KNHtBNXDQfkPBnymPPPU9Lp4X6ukgcm85FINw=s0-d "confused")
And NASCAR uses nitrogen because it is DRY. No water to turn to steam and expand unexpectedly. It still expands but at predictable rate. Ever notice when they drop the green flag they are all kind of careful until their tires come up to pressure.
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Since they changed the propane bottles to OPD valves, most folks just trash the old bottles. They make darn good portable air bottles for a little of nothing.
I used to work on my uncles ranch in West Texas during the summer and like the guy said, almost everybody has one.
Jezz, if just one of the tires were to blow, that sucker would go up like a pillbox with the road temps running around 150* in the summer.
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gmc851 wrote:
I don't think there is enough PSI in a propane tank to fill a tire. As was said it stores as a liquid.
IN my younger days I was warned about fix-a-flat and the like, some would explode when dismounting a tire.
And NASCAR uses nitrogen because it is DRY. No water to turn to steam and expand unexpectedly. It still expands but at predictable rate. Ever notice when they drop the green flag they are all kind of careful until their tires come up to pressure.
I could be wrong, your mileage may vary
Actually propane is stored under pressure to keep it from boiling off. The boiling point of propane is -44 F. If you don't store it under pressure it would simply evaporate.
Much the same way your truck's radiator cap raises the boiling point of water by putting it under pressure.
On a typical warm sunny day, the pressure of propane can reach 80 psi or more. Plenty sufficient to air up a flat tire. On cold days, the pressure in a propane tank can drop to the teens or lower.
If the temperature of the propane ever reaches -45 F, then of course, there would be no pressure in the storage tank. In the northern reigons, propane is stored underground, as to provide that the over night winter lows don't cause insufficient pressure to keep furnaces, and other propane appliances operating.
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Capt Skup wrote:
Well, it sounds like a tall tale but I would not be surprised a bit. I have seen with my own two beady eyes my bud use butane to get a tubeless tire to seat back on the rim. Pretty exciting for a teenage boy to watch, led to me playing with PVC pipe cannons soon after shooting tennis balls and anything else we could stuff down the pipe. For reseating a bead, remove shrader valve from stem, hold tire tight against rim(long cord and stick to squeeze center of tread) while best buddy squirts a few doses of butane lighter fluid into tire through stem and bring lit match to stem. Growing up sure was exciting, wonder I made it to adulthood.
This is a fairly common way of getting a large tire to seat onto the rim. Tractors, monster trucks all use this method, with starter fluid, propane, anything that will rapidly expand as it quickly heats.
Engineer9860 wrote:
gmc851 wrote:
I don't think there is enough PSI in a propane tank to fill a tire. As was said it stores as a liquid.
IN my younger days I was warned about fix-a-flat and the like, some would explode when dismounting a tire.
And NASCAR uses nitrogen because it is DRY. No water to turn to steam and expand unexpectedly. It still expands but at predictable rate. Ever notice when they drop the green flag they are all kind of careful until their tires come up to pressure.
I could be wrong, your mileage may vary
Actually propane is stored under pressure to keep it from boiling off. The boiling point of propane is -44 F. If you don't store it under pressure it would simply evaporate.
Much the same way your truck's radiator cap raises the boiling point of water by putting it under pressure.
On a typical warm sunny day, the pressure of propane can reach 80 psi or more. Plenty sufficient to air up a flat tire. On cold days, the pressure in a propane tank can drop to the teens or lower.
If the temperature of the propane ever reaches -45 F, then of course, there would be no pressure in the storage tank. In the northern reigons, propane is stored underground, as to provide that the over night winter lows don't cause insufficient pressure to keep furnaces, and other propane appliances operating.
Well... I guess I was wrong
And the lighter fluid either thing yeh I've done it, but as a last resort. Thou it is kind of cool. But wicked dangerous. Next time the lighter fluid trail will be 20ft.
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Patster wrote:
I saw a documentary about a group that was trying to repair a B29 that crash landed in the Arctic in the late 40's, this was a couple of years ago. The plane they were using to ferry parts and supplies pulled a tire off the rim while landing and they refilled it with propane.
I think I saw the same show ... they didn't have the proper equipment to help seat the bead (or at least start it with the rubber so stiff), so they used a shot of propane to explode the tire into place. I've seen this done ... kludge method ... but it can work. Old timers probably did tons of things that would raise the hair on our necks ... some which may have been reasonable alternatives ... some that demonstrated lack of knowledge of possible consequences. Someday our kids will laugh about the same they see in us.
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Festis- "Surely, paudner, I got some special air in my truck just for ya!"
City Slicker-"Why is that Propane!"
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But in all my years of living around the farmers and ranchers in this area and all the "service station" (used to be anyway) attendants that fixed tires, I have never seen anyone get hurt or a fire started by using the propane in that manor.
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Bgisse wrote:
THATS DUMB.
I didn't use them together!!! Now that would be dumb
What,you weren't young once? Saw an old timer do it so I thought I'd give it a try if I needed it...Well a couple years later I needed it. I think I missed a step on second thought.
Kids don't try this at home!!!!
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Bryndon wrote:
User care using this technique, too much makes a good explosion!
We use ether (starter fluid) to seat large off road tires in the rough. Don't even have to have the bead close, 10 second shot of ether, spray some over the sidewall, and away from the tire as a fuse. I say be very careful, I've seen a 150# tire/wheel on a one ton truck bounce the truck a foot off the jack. This is definitely not something anyone should play with or stand anywhere near!
There's a tire shop near my dad's old home place that seems to burn down the shop once every ten years or so doing that. It works great almost all the time but the one time it doesn't is a banshee.
I also know a guy who was using ether to seat a bead on a tire on a borrowed trailer and managed to set the (very old) tire on fire. He was a little shook up by the time he got it put out.
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skipnchar wrote:
Who says they don't have a sense of humor in west Texas?
We have to have!! West Texas looks just like Kansas without the wheat!
And yea, I think the Guy is telling you a Texas Size tall tale!!,
Lots of poeple have Air tanks that might look like a propane tank, But, I am a life long resident of West Texas and NEVER seen anyone put propane in a tire...... Where in West Texas is your friend from?
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Please be intorduced to a guy named "MURPHY".
He has a whole bunch of Kin - in the CITY, on the FARM, at
the RANCH . . . everywhere! Some of those ranchers ae in the
cities and vice-versa.
Murphy has a law that applies to everyone on the planet -
and I think you already know what it is!
So - besides all those things already said about propane - in its
gaseous state, it's HEAVIER than air. Hugs the ground. (If) it
finds an ignition source big or little BOOM - depending on quantity -
flash (and very hot) fire! Hope the tire shop guy doesn't smoke!
Hope you tell him in advance what's in those John Deere tires!
Yes the tubless tire seating trick (for truck and oversize tires) is
regularly done in Mexico - using a squirt of gasoline. Sure it will
work with other equally volatile fuels (as mentioned). I prefer to
watch from a distance!
Even ordinary shadetree mechanics now have the "quick dump" AIR tank
to seat beads. Chinese probably make 'em now - bringing pride down,
and no need to blast with flammable liquids.
Nitrogen (in tires) = non-flammable, no problem. Even being pushed
for your hot-rod or rice burner, etc. (Be like the Nascar folks).
"Way back when" some off roaders were using helium (also non-flammable).
Grey Eagle mentioned using 02 in tanks - I'm sure he means "air",
as oxygen (O2) is very flammable (in the presence of grease, etc.).
Lastly - have been there for Oxygen and Propane fires (other flammable
fuels too). Have seen the guys that received some serious burns, a
few deceased also. Not a pretty sight.
I think "Murphy" was around somewhere, 'cause -
NONE of them planned on that result!
Be safe - thanks for the "soapbox" time!
bkk169 wrote:
we can't use it here in Saskatchewan as it turns to liquid at 40 below.
I doubt its 40 below year around
I would tell you another trick we did in the winter time to increase the pressure when it was too cold to get enough pressure to light the cook stove in the house, but you city kids wouldnt beleive that either.
hpk
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JKMK wrote:
I seriously doubt that one. Especially since propane stores a liquid.
And pressure changes based on tempurature. At 30 degrees your tires would have around 30 psi and at 130 degrees your tires would be around 130 lbs. LOL.
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